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anything. >> president obama indeed the happiest place on earth. >> it's nice to meet a world leader who has bigger ears than me. it is shaping up to be a thursday to remember in the 2012 presidential race. just when you thought this ride had hit the skids, more thrills and spills are right around the corner. it started this morning as rick perry clicked his spurs and prepared to ride off into the sunset after one oops too many. he didn't leave the trail without tipping his hat to another conservative champion. >> i have come to the conclusion there's no viable path forward for me in this 2012 campaign. therefore, today, i am suspending my campaign and endorsing newt gingrich for president of the united states.
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newt is not perfect, but who among us is? >> newt is not perfect. that might be the most insightful thing that rick perry said for about a year. unfortunately for newt, something leaked out before the endorsement. his ex-wife hit the air waves with a titillating tidbit. >> i said to him, we've been married a long time, and he said, yes, but you want me all to yourself. calista doesn't care what i do. >> what was he saying? >> he was having to have an open marriage and i we fused. >> he wanted an open marriage? >> yeah, that i accept the fact he has somebody else in his life. >> i guess his big love was just too much for one woman, his love for america, i mean.
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remember, that's why he cheated in the first place. he reiterated that everything he does is in the name of sacrifice and all for the country. >> i've been very open about my life. i've been very open about the mistakes i have made. we entered this race because we knew we would get beaten up. we knew we get lied about and smeared. we decided the country was worth the pain. >> all of this is when mitt romney has seen a slip in the polls. fresh questions about his multimillions. he learned he lost rick iowa to rick santorum. all begging the question, who is luckier than mitt romney? maybe barack obama. we have david corn.
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in minneapolis, anna maria cox and john harwood. david, do you think rick perry after describing social security as a ponsi scheme and saying turkey is ruled by terrorist, do you think he's come to realize if you don't know anything about domestic and foreign policy, you're not qualified to become president of the united states? >> he had some trouble with numbers during this campaign. i think he saw some numbers and a realized they do more talking than anything else. it was clear after iowa he wanted to go home. i almost felt sorry for the guy. i don't know why he put in this extra two weeks here. maybe it was to please his own
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ego or wife or somebody else. there was no place for him to go. he kind of ruled from a high position. he's not going home to a heroes welcome. >> john, i hate to place any responsibility on you for the demise of candidate, but it feels your interaction with rick perry that many say was the beginning of the end. take a listen. >> you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government, i would do away with education, the commerce, let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. oops. >> john, it was your pursuance of that question that many say was the fall of the dominos. do you agree? >> i don't know. rick perry started that
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difficulty when he couldn't remember. i had some help in my ear from a smart producer that was producing the debate. >> come on. you're being far too modest. come on. >> i am thinking of today as an oops day for everybody. it's an oops day for rick perry who got out of race. an oops day for the iowa party. for mitt romney who thought he won that night and newt gingrich got that endorsement who said newt gingrich isn't perfect. marianne is showing that oops, he wasn't perfect. >> anna marie you've written about sarah palin's support of newt gingrich and now he has rick perry. should mitt romney the now worried about the big bear that's getting closer to him in
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south carolina? >> well, there's a lot of things about newt, his ego primarily among them. i'm not sure if rick perry or sarah palin will give a lot of momentum to newt gingrich. as i said before, i think he is running on spite. there's an endless supply for him of vile and spite. the bad news, i don't think it gets you the nomination. i think in fact, while there's a certain percentage that really wants nothing more than someone to stand up on stage and deliver zingers to barack obama, which is what i think they can do, we're seeing everything else this he can't do is stay faithful. >> do you think this interview that newt's wife has given, do you think it will the have an impact on voters preference? >> i do.
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i think americans have been pretty forgiving of politicians that have strayed. newt gingrich is physically enable of expressing humility. even the thewway he went about , he asked her after six years of having an affair. there's some metaphor about a barn door and the horse got out. this galling arrogance of this man. i think there's some part of that that appeals to republican voters. i think there's a lot of people who are turned off by it. i think republican social conservatives are. i'm seeing some reporting that maybe john can back that's what's happening. >> we'll come to that in a moment. gingrich gave an impassioned defense of marriage. listen to this, david. >> it's based on a man and
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woman. has been for 3,000 years. it's something worth protecting and upholding. >> david, do you think newt gingrich believes manogomy means sleeping with one woman at a time? >> i think he got close to that answer. believes it was between a man and a woman and another woman. we're just gibling over numbers here. two, three, people in marriage doesn't make that big of a difference. we haven't mentioned daring rick santorum yet, who has been left out of the oops today. although he benefits from the oops in iowa. he got the conservatives to back him. he has this final argument to make. while people are rallying behind newt gingrich. he is say hey, when it comes to the traditional definition of marriage, i'm a lot closer to you than many one-on-one or one there. it gives him a bit of opening in
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these final minutes. if anyone raises, it might be rick santorum. >> john, what is your sense on the ground of the impact that newt's second wife has given? >> most of the information in the interview came out previously in an esquire interview. there is something differently about hearing it directly from the person involved. i agree with ana marie that newt and humility don't go together. i expect you will hear a repeat of the line where he said i had to go to god forforgiveness. it's not going to get him past it but it may help diminish some of the impact. rick perry helped him. >> ana marie, rick perry said he
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believes in forgiveness and believes in redemption. we know that newt requires both of thoses in large measure. do you not think that will play with some southern conservatives thinking of their own faith will the be minded to give newt another break, i guess? >> i think that's possible. i also think if you look at the lineup they have available to them, there is another option. i think rick rick santorum is a pretty strong candidate in south carolina. he has a fairly populous economic message that is important in south carolina that is really struggling much more so than iowa or new hampshire. forgiveness that might come with an appeal to the vengeance you would get against obama. i think it will be really interesting night. we've all been treated to that so far in this campaign. it's not going to go away.
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the drama just beginning. >> we're all looking forward to it. thanks so much. >> thank you. rick perry, how we will miss you. ♪ each step of my way ♪ i will always love you ♪ will always love you ♪ bittersweet memories that's all i have, and all i'm taking with me ♪ ♪ good-bye, please don't cry
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with the clock ticking down to saturday's south carolina primary, things are getting testy on the campaign trail. take a look at this exchange from a short time ago, when a man in the crowd dared to ask romney about being part of the 1%. >> what would you do to support the 99% seeing you're part of the 1%? >> let me tell you something. america is great nation because we're a united nation. those that are trying to divide the nation as you're doing and the president is doing, the right course for america is not to try to divide americans and trying to divide us between one and another is to come together
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as a nation. >> is it possible a candidate wh who is worth millions is having trouble connecting? mike, you've been doing, as i say, some wonderful reporting on this already, including the romney fundraiser held on tuesday and hosted by private equity sing steve swartzman. he has another one set for next week where he will raise millions more. >> he's been on quite a fund-raising tear. in light of the presumption he will be the nominee. he's clearly stumbled over the last week on this issue. i've been talking to romney supporters today and yesterday, and they are saying the same
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thing. they are really baffled that the romney campaign allowed this to mushroom into the issue it has. they don't understand why he didn't release his tax returns earlier because it was absolutely predictable there would be calls for the disclosure of the tax returns. it's been the norm among presidential candidates of both parties going back since mitt romney's father ran for president in 1968. >> mike, as i understand it, mitt romney has never revealed any of his tax details, ever. >> he's filed financial disclosures as he's required to do and that's why we have estimates, but he's not released his tax returns. it's not surprise he didn't do it as governor of massachusetts. it is expected of serious candidates. that's been the expectation for years.
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if you're serious about running for president, you have to release your tax returns. the fact that they have stumbled on this issue, the fact that romney didn't seem to be too anticipated and didn't have very good quick answers to these questions is something that has surprised a lot of romney insiders. >> that will be raised at tonight's debate. how is it that this man is not better prepared to handle the questions? >> if you look -- the fact is he is an extremely wealthy individual. he's taken advantage of the legal opportunities out there, including investments in overseas, and he's benefitted from that. i believe they probably did not expect this to become an issue this early in the republican primary. they probably saw it down the
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road in the general election. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> i'll be here live this saturday at our regular time of 3:00 p.m. as voters in south carolina take to the polls. coming up, get the money out, at least stephen colbert sees how ludicriuos super pacs have been. >> there will be cheerleaders. this will be better than my rally in d.c. jon stewart won't be there. i promise something that doesn't show off so much of my swing voters. ♪ capital one's new cash rewards card
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more money spent by more tourists means more businesses can hire more workers. it's a pretty simple formula. >> that was president obama this afternoon at disney's magic kingdom speaking about plans to increase tourism at home and help promote job creation. this as republicans slam the president for killing potential jobs with his decision not to grant the keystone pipeline permit. just another day in washington, d.c. for more on this, i'm joined by mike vikara at the white house. mike, the president on the road speaking about jobs on a day when applications for unemployment benefits have plunged to the lowest point in four years, and not 24 hours after republicans slammed him for rejecting the keystone pipeline, which they argue would have been a great job creator. tell us, what changes in d.c.? >> reporter: not much.
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politics is in part what you can get people to believe. economic prognostication is an ambiguous business at best. unemployment is still relatively high been historical standards. their view is the numbers will speak for themselves. if the president gets his way on all of these initiatives. today he appeared in front of cinderella's castle. the initiative today, part of the we can't wait. he wants tourists to be able to get a visa. he wants to expand a visa waiver program, try to expand tourism in this country which he views as a job creator. >> as soon as the president shot
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down plans for the keystone pipeline, the request to raise the debt ceiling was quickly shot down on capitol hill. were congress and the president going blow for blow again in it's the same stuff as last year. >> reporter: yes. 2012 will be just like 2011, which the "washington time" said was the most futile year in congress. it's designed to be political advertising votes, is what i call them. each side will try to embarrass the other so they can ammunition going into the election. the big thing on the platter for both parties is the extension of the payroll tax cut. the medicare fix, things that are so important. those are all due by february 29th. after that, if you look at the calendar, there's sop pro
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appropriation bills. one thing on the keystone pipeline, be president said he didn't want to do it. said it wasn't in the interest of the nation. there's some speculation on capitol hill, it would be used as bargaining chip in the extension of the payroll tax cut. the keystone issue is not done yet. >> we're hearing that the gop has gone on something of a brief retreat, is that right? >> reporter: that's right. >> they just been on holiday for a month. what's going on? >> reporter: this is the meeting before they go in democrats are doing it next week on the shore of maryland. both sides like to do the retreat. you ever been to a conference? >> i have. it generally occurs sometimes after i had four weeks holiday. >> reporter: hold on martin. happy birthday.
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that are a decade, more than a decade hold, are simply wrong. >> i would like to thank for putting mr. ron livings in his place the other night. >> i might go so far to say the arrogance of speaker gingrich. >> i'm not a fish man. i eat it because it's good for me. >> i think one of the great weaknesses that the republicans have is they're boring. i think being sbrersing beats being boring. >> probably closer to the 15% rate than anything. >> the establishment is once again telling us to fall in line and vote for their moderate candidate. >> romney's financial disclosure forms shows he earned nearly $375,000 in speaking fees in
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2010. >> charleston. >> a charleston dandy. oh, my. lord have mercy. i do believe i have the vapors. >> let's get right to our panel now. good afternoon to all of you. we had allegations of the open marriage and vulture capitalism. does anyone come out of south carolina where their dignity intact after this? >> stephen colbert does. >> the others? >> no. it's been a cut throat political culture going back to before the
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civil war. they called it the fighter eaters in the 1850s. they like their politics rough. i was down covering megan's father in 2000. >> i was going to come to that. your own family knows a thing or two about what happens down there. what was that like? >> in 2000? >> i was a child. i was 13 years old when that happened. it's a dark spot on republican politics. i think south carolina has evolved since then. it was probably embarrassed about all the goings-on that happened. i think right now what's going on is more a reflection of the dirty politicians that are running. newt gingrich is a capitalist, open marriage. these are things that are not
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worthy of being any kind of leader. >> that's interesting. julian, it's not just newt and mitt. the santorum campaign is getting a look at how underhanded politics can be. there's a two-page flier that was distributed at an antiabortion rally. it was says do you any his wife had a six year affair with an a borpgsist. the only reason they broke up is karen wanted kids while he was busy killing them. whoever is behind this, this is saying he she had premarital sex with an abortionist. >> as cindy and john were pointing out, south carolina has a history of being a laboratory
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for dirty tricks. i think the difference is this is the chickens coming home to roost on the citizens united case. newt gingrich would probably not be in this race but for the citizen's united case. it's a little unpredictable in terms of when this thing ends now. that said, it is still difficult after south carolina. you've got five primaries be. you have florida, maine, missouri, minnesota and colorado. it's hard to see how any of that terrain will be that favorable for santorum or for gingrich. i still think at the end of the day, this is romney's race to loose. the one point that hasn't been made, we joked about in the past, the romney endorsement of gingrich. when romney likened himself to
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tebow -- >> you mean rick perry. >> when rick perry likened himself, tim tebow went on the lose four of his five games. if that's any predictor, i'm not sure a rick perry endorsement will go there. >> you've been repeatedly warning us about newt. you said do not underestimate the vicious determination of this man. >> i don't see him dropping out. first of all, i think he has a decent chance to win this primary. he's got the momentum now. unless this thing about the open marriage would stop the momentum, which is possible. the combination of the perry endorsement, i think it's quite significant, and his terrific, by their light, debate performance. i thought it has racial overtones. if he has another strong debate performance, tonight, he could easily win the south carolina
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primary. then his odds significantly improve for winning the nomination. >> a final question to you for this segment. what do you think the debate will be like tonight? let's perfectly honest, things have gotten lower and lower. do you think tonight could be really unkind? >> i do. this is the 11th hour. newt will go for the jugular in every possible way. i agree with jonathan. me will go out swinging even though i think romney is already the nominee. next, the president in happy place. >> it's always nice to meet a world leader who has bigger ears than me. ♪ [ male announcer ] juice drink too watery?
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while the president is the in orlando, he should enjoy the magic kingdom while he has the chance. now the president's campaign is out with his first commercial of 2012, a $1.3 million ad buy aimed at oil barons. >> secret of oil billionaires attacking president obama with ads fact checkers say are not
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tethered to the facts. >> it's a return volley to ads that called the president a crook. >> the government gives solyndra half a billion in money. politics as usual. >> back with us is our brains trust. megan, the president is in the swing state of florida as we know. he's back in new york tonight for some more fund raisers. who is the president fighting here? is he fighting a candidate like mitt romney or is he fighting the bank accounts of people like charles and david coke? >> i think he's fighting both. someone made a point that if ten people donate $10 million to off hedge fund that would make ads for these ads like the coke brothers are doing, that's $100
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million campaign. i think he's fighting rom and the random ads. >> ten people as megan said giving $10 million. the obama has one million don s donors, average donation of under 100 lines. which is more in line with our democrat values. we need a constitutional amendment that says money should not equal speech. >> dream on. >> you have to start building support for it. you have to change the constitution. you can with the right effort and the right people in both parties, i'm sure that senator mccain -- >> people have to get angry enough. >> i think this year they are starting to get angry. >> the coke brothers just aren't obama possesses, they plan to
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spend more than $200 million in 2012. one of the bigger issues, voter id laws. the koch's aren't just gunning for the president. they are aiming for every election up and down the ballot. >> i think it tells you a lot about the money and where the thinking is on this. the voter id is at voter suppression. this effort to force voter identification could disenfranchise 21 million voters, african-american and hispan hispanic. the whole idea that the koch brothers are going after obama on the solyndra should tell you two things. it was originally a phony scandal. every fact checker has it's phony. the fact they don't go after obama on the central thesis on the economy, tells you the right wing is starting to give up on this argument. every single economic trend,
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whether it's jobs or gdp growth, it's all trending in the right direction and you see the handwriting on the walls that the republicans are going to have a tougher and tougher argument to make against the obama administration. going after obama on ethics is like saying mitt romney is a man of the people. >> oh, my gosh. what kind of a comment is that? >> julian's point is well made. >> you can't just blame the koch brothers. >> we've seen the president's approval rating go up. we're seeing jobless claims go down. we're seeing unemployment very slowly go down. do you not think the great beneficiary of the whole republican process has been the guy in the white house. >> newt gingrich is hurting republicans right now and it's benefitting the president. all president will have to do in november is start rerunning some of these ads that people have put up against romney.
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the president is being benefitted right now. however, it's a long way till november. >> a long way. >> can we just disagree with megan on one thing. she's trying to disassociate the koch brothers from the republican party. they tried to push this phony scandal physical they realized it was bush that pushed it. every single fact checker said it was dirty. it was a bogus shot they tried to take and it backfired. >> to act as if democrats hands are clean and there's no blood -- >> i wish we had more time. you'll have to come back. thanks so much for joining us. coming up, it's all about jobs, but first brian sullivan has the cnbc market wrap. let's get a look at how stocks are trading wp we're not booming today, but we're still higher. the little rally continues. the dow is up 37.
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as we head into this election year, there's only one thing on the minds of voters across this country. jobs. one man firmly believes we need a fundamental reform of the entire economic system if we really want to see full employment in america. the details are all in his newly-published book, "greedy bastards" which just debuted. the author is, of course, my colleague dr. dylan ratigan. dylan? i understand on your broadcast this afternoon you'll be
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discussing hot spotting. what is hot spotting and what impact could that have on the creation of jobs here in america? >> hot spotting is really just the simple technique of using discreet data and your ability to observe where and how the actual resource you're trying to allocate is one that was the oldest and best understood, and over allocating to solving the actual problem. 5% of the people in america represent 50% of america's health care cost. so why don't we understand how they are spending their money to drop our health care costs, not by working across the spectrum, but those who spend the most money? >> but that sounds like perfect sense. so why has it taken you, and i'm not undermining your magnificent
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intellect, but why hasn't this been discussed around the country as an essential action now? >> it's interesting. it has been spread around the country on crime fighting. especially in the major cities. they started to allocate policing, obviously, to overallocate to the areas where crime is occurring. there's a strong incentive in any given community. however, when you hot spot in health care, what you do is take money out of the pockets of the big insurance companies and the doctors themselves and out of the pockets of the drug companies or today an aversion of hot spotting to use for its hot spotting. they take it out of the traditional book and publishing businesses. and when there's money to be lost by a legacy business, as we
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know, whether it's in health care, energy, or education, there's very little incentive from the status quo industries to talk about this type of problem solving, let alone to advocate for it. which, i think, is why it's taken so long to understand that resource allocation is not something you should do as an blanket undertaking. resource allocation is much more intelligently pursued when you have the benefit of the data you're trying to solve. who are the sick people? when do people need a textbook? do they need to own that textbook or do they need it for 15 weeks for a particular course? what's the best way to allocate in general? because of our budget issues now and because of the innovation and connectivity we share, we learn from each other. we're going to see a trend in that direction. i just think that a lot of folks back east, particularly in washington, d.c., are still kind
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of out to lunch. but it's our job to help have a little compassion for them and be a little ruthless with them to bring them along. >> the proverse incentives that are suppressing job creation. dylan ratigan, thank you for joining us. i look forward to you returning back to new york. >> i can't wait to see you. i miss you, martin. it's not the same. i need to be in the same time zone to feel the world is in ali alignment. >> you're a kind man. you can watch dylan monday through friday here on msnbc. here's on the tour for 30 million jobs. we'll be right back. . this is an rc robotic claw. my high school science teacher made me what i am today. our science teacher helped us build it. ♪ now i'm a geologist at chevron, and i get to help science teachers. it has four servo motors and a wireless microcontroller.
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mr. oops. mr. turkey is ruled by terrorist. rick perry has finally realized that the world has grown tired of hearing a grown man talk absolute nonsense and has thrown in the towel. to coin the title of his book, he's come to the conclusion that we're all fed up with him. although that's not how he described his decision just a c couple hours ago. >> as i have contemplated the future of this campaign, i have come to the conclusion that there is no viable path forward for me. therefore, today i am suspending my campaign. >> i know that many of the candidates believe that climate change is the biggest hoax ever expedited by scientists, but do you have any idea how many trees had to be chopped down so that these candidates could publish their musings? i made the mistake of reading these books because i was once
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told they were serious candidates who could lead the free world. here's michele bachmann in her book of conviction. i will drive a freedom and prosperity train from all parts of the nation to washington. i will call it the liberty express. get ready. better days are ahead. gone. or how about herman cain? in his unique book, "this is herman cain." come november 2012 when all the votes are counted, gloria and i will be living in the people's house at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. gone. and finally, rick perry. in his own words from his book "fedup." i wrote this book to voice your concerns and partner with you in taking back our country. and i have a strong sense you are now